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#: 926 S1/General Information
    21-Jul-88  12:48:58
Sb: #914-#I-CVD
Fm: Steve Hannaford 71131,1564
To: Michael Murray 71616,214 (X)

CVD and CDV--who an keep them straight?

DVI does look like it might amke it, especially if it doesn't require custom
hardware.  But isn't CD-I the one likeliest to be on the market first?

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#: 927 S1/General Information
    21-Jul-88  13:17:28
Sb: #Audio vs. Computer CDd
Fm: Dave Pushic 74775,1345
To: Len Wilcox 76701,115 (X)

Len,

CD-ROM discs contain an extra layer of error correction encoded to help
maintain data integrity.  CD Audio discs do not have this encoding.  One of the
primary differences between CDROM and CD Audio players is the presence of these
specialized decoding chips, which are a big contributer to the extra cost of a
CDROM player vs. your CD Audio player from Crazy Eddies. So, the answer
basically is no, you can't kluge an audio player into a ROM player, but going
the other way is a tad easier, which is why some manufacturers are offering
CDROM drives with audio capability.

The boomong Audio market will help bring down some costs, but remember that the
real cost of a disc , whether audio or ROM, is what people are willing to pay
for the information.  And there's a big difference in a business recouping it's
royalty, etc costs from 20,000 audio discs vs. 200 ROM discs.

High Sierra (ne ISO 9660) is an attempt to standardize file structure
 on the CDROM.  The intent is that any disc encoded to this standard can be
read by any player with the proper driver software.  This does not mean that
the application stored on the disc can be usefully accessed without the
originator's control program (search and retrieval, etc)



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#: 928 S1/General Information
    21-Jul-88  13:19:59
Sb: #CDI
Fm: Dave Pushic 74775,1345
To: Drew Topel 75410,1541 (X)

Drew,

Greetings to a fellow member of the Philips clan of companies, joint ventures,
etc.

Give my regards to Susan Baker at AIM should you run into her.

Regards,

Dave Pushic

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#: 929 S3/CDROM Applications
    21-Jul-88  14:30:35
Sb: #923-#ZIFF-DAVIS CD-ROM PROD
Fm: Phil Dunn 74017,614
To: Gary J. Ellis 71361,2427 (X)

Gary -

Are the ads missing from the CD-ROM Product? As an advertiser, should I worry
about losing readership in print to CD-ROM?

Phil Dunn

Hopkins Technology



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#: 930 S2/Conference/Seminars
    21-Jul-88  16:07:58
Sb: Speakers Needed
Fm: Cynthia Kolnick 73527,232
To: All

Greetings, I'm new to this forum. I will be conducting an "Introduction to
CD-ROM" seminar for UC Extension - Santa Cruz on October 20. The seminar will
be at TechMart in Santa Clara, CA.

I need three speakers who can address the following topics:

1) Enhancing corporate productivity; this includes an overview of current
applications, benefits of integrating,implementation considerations, selection
criteria for applications, and products for vertical markets.

2) In-house publishing; including the benefits of publishing, survey of
in-house applications already in use, cost/benefit analysis, security,
protection, copyright, data preparation, and a summary of the manufacturing
process and costs.

3) Putting a system together; considerations and compatiblity factors for
choosing hardware and software, network integration considerations, format
standards now and in the future, and interface considerations.

If you are interested, please contact me through EasyPlex (73527,232).

#: 931 S3/CDROM Applications
    21-Jul-88  20:06:29
Sb: #918-ZIFF-DAVIS CD-ROM PROD
Fm: William E. Fein 72261,1642
To: Rick Brenner 70150,400

controlled vocabulary refers to a group of about 3,000 terms we use to indicate
the main topics of the articles we abstract.

These terms appear in a separate field of the record entitled "Topics".  The
control aspect comes from the fact that we use only one form of a term to refer
to a topic. EXAMPLE: We have the the term 'Microcomputers' to refer to PCs,
Desktop Computers, Home Computers, etc. By searching the "Topics" field for
"Microcomputers" you will retrieve all articles in in the database on that
topic even if the word does not appear in the full text of the article. By
adding this conceptual indexing, we add value to the record because we have
indicated the major topic(s) of an article.

I hope this answers you question. Please feel free to ask any others if this
remains unclear.

rgds, Bill Fein

#: 932 S3/CDROM Applications
    21-Jul-88  20:22:40
Sb: #822-ZIFF-DAVIS CD-ROM PROD
Fm: William E. Fein 72261,1642
To: Mark Schneider 71330,467 (X)

sorry, about delay in reply. between vacation and deadline I've been a little
tied up.

As I am at the editorial end, I really can't say how bluefish compares to other
products. It generally works well for our application.

As to indexing, Bluefish does a complete inverted index of all terms in a
record. However, we have a special field in the record called "topics" where a
human indexer after will assign controlled terms to the article so that the
searcher can find articles on particular subjects (i.e., product introduction,
modems, etc.) (Also see msg #931 for explanatn of controlled vocabulary). This
indexing is helpful becaus an article may deal with a concept without
specifically mentioning it by name.

hope this helps. rgds, Bill

#: 933 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    21-Jul-88  20:46:30
Sb: #910-Interesting Hack
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Frank Scanzano 75126,302 (X)

Excuse me for butting in, but you can buy the developers kit from Compact Disk
Products in NYC.  1-800-MEGABYT or 212-996-6999. Bob Helfant

 - Compact Disk Products

#: 934 S1/General Information
    21-Jul-88  22:40:27
Sb: #925-#CDI / Hello
Fm: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330
To: Drew Topel 75410,1541 (X)

Drew--

Welcome to the CDROM forum and CompuServe.  I know some people at
Japan Interactive Media in Tokyo.  Do you know anybody there?

Noboru Toyoshima
Tokyo, Japan

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#: 935 S1/General Information
    21-Jul-88  22:40:54
Sb: #926-#I-CVD
Fm: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330
To: Steve Hannaford 71131,1564

Steve--

DVI has announced that it will market to the institutions and education
at the beginning.  User need to purchase the board set to play back DVI discs.
Launching of CD-I has been pushed back.  It was supposed to target
consumer market but it gradually changes its direction to the same category
as DVI.  I don't know which comes first though.

-- Noboru Toyoshima
   Tokyo, Japan

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#: 936 S1/General Information
    21-Jul-88  23:26:19
Sb: #927-Audio vs. Computer CDd
Fm: Len Wilcox 76701,115
To: Dave Pushic 74775,1345

Dave,
       Thanks for the info!  (I was _afraid_ there was a good reason, aside
from the law of supply and demand, that computer CD drives were substantially
more costly than audio drives).
       Len

#: 937 S1/General Information
    22-Jul-88  01:08:35
Sb: #934-#CDI / Hello
Fm: Drew Topel 75410,1541
To: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330 (X)

Yes I do know somebody from JIM, he's Kazuo Ohno and he's working here at AIM
with me and the software gang. We're all getting our titles done with some
limited success. The lack of hardware and reliable software has slowed down our
production, but as our slogan here says: discs or die Thanx,
  Drew

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#: 938 S1/General Information
    22-Jul-88  01:14:38
Sb: #928-CDI
Fm: Drew Topel 75410,1541
To: Dave Pushic 74775,1345

Hello Dave, what Philip company and where do you work. Are you working with
CDROM, CDI, all of the above? If so, how are you hardware systems? Existent? We
at AIM are getting frustrated by the current lack of development systems and
adequate utilities and are developing them as we go along. I look forward to
swapping notes in the future... Best Regards,
   Drew

#: 939 S1/General Information
    22-Jul-88  01:20:43
Sb: #935-#I-CVD
Fm: Drew Topel 75410,1541
To: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330 (X)

CD-I will hit the market first. DVI and CD-I have vastly different marketing
plans. CD-I is a purely consumer product, DVI is currently only appropriate for
the business and computer oriented user market (training and peripherals). CD-I
will not be marketed as a computer, only a audio/video entertainment appliance
DVI has only recently stated its intentions to go beyond a computer peripheral
thereby giving CD-I a 2+year lead. The world standardization of CD-I in the
green book will yield a larger market and consumer trust. For these reasons
CD-I has the best shot at making it in the mass market.

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#: 940 S1/General Information
    22-Jul-88  02:02:53
Sb: Alphabet soup
Fm: Michael Murray 71616,214
To: Steve Hannaford 7113,1564

DVI is going to require custom silicon for decoding the highly-compressed video
information; there are two choices: 1) Put the boards into the PC's that are
designated as delivery systems or 2) put the circuitry into CD-ROM players.
Currently it is equivalent to 2 bigger-than-full-size AT boards (that won't
even fit into a stock AT) that the folks at Sarnoff say will be down to
standard AT size "real soon now".  It's a lot of chips right now, Steve.

CD-I hopes to be on the market by Christmas '88 (so says Philips) but remember
the CD-I is a full system specification, meaning you need a CD-I machine to
play a CD-I disc.  CD-I will probably be on the market first; when I was
involved with CD-I we were targeting initial price points for players at
$1299-$1499 (real high R&D in there, boy).  Our concern was that Mattel would
rush a "low-end" I-CVD type player to market (at a $499 price point), and
consumers would fail to see the value in a $1300 CD-I player versus a $499
I-CVD player.  CD-I might make it to market first, but will it sell (that is,
enough for software house to develop for it?).

Optical media will shake out over the course of the next few years; should be
real interesting.

-- Michael -
#: 941 S3/CDROM Applications
    22-Jul-88  02:21:15
Sb: #929-ZIFF-DAVIS CD-ROM PROD
Fm: Gary J. Ellis 71361,2427
To: Phil Dunn 74017,614 (X)

Hi Phil -There aren't any ads on the CD-ROM at the present time.  Remember that
this is a text-only product (except for program files from PC Magazine and PC
Tech Journal), and, since most ads are graphical in nature, they couldn't be
accommodated.

However, I don't think there is any cause for concern on the part of magazine
advertisers -- to the contrary.  The CD-ROM will in no way replace the actual
magazines; it complements them.  There is every indication that magazine
readers will continue to read hardcopy when it arrives; check the latest news,
product reviews, ads, etc.; and then store the hardcopy.  The CD-ROM should
come into play when a particular information need or question arises.  In my
opinion, the CD-ROM will actually give the magazine hardcopy (including the
ads) extra life, since the CD-ROM, among other things, becomes an "index" to
the magazine readers' hardcopy library -- making the old issues more useful.

I can tell you that there is alot of interest in ads, and certainly the CD-ROM
will continue to evolve, so stay tuned. Best regards, Gary

#: 942 S1/General Information
    22-Jul-88  07:29:44
Sb: #747-New member Intro
Fm: Eric Azarcon 72571,2175
To: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271

Raines,
  Gee, it must have been a long time since I've been here! I just got a msg you
sent to me June 3rd!  Well, been kind of busy getting stuff ready for our
CD-ROM application. It has to do with colleges and college-bound high school
students. Since you already have a CD app, I wonder if you could help us out
with your experience. If you're still interested, let me know!

...Eric...

p.s. Have you uploaded a FACE yet?

#: 943 S1/General Information
    22-Jul-88  08:16:21
Sb: #937-CDI / Hello
Fm: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330
To: Drew Topel 75410,1541

I don't know Mr. Ohno myself.  I know Mr. Yoshika, Mr. Ikeya from JIM.
BTW, I am now supervising the translation of "CD-I: Designer's Overview"
into Japanese.... the more I read about CD-I, it seems almost impossible
for a desinger to plan a real mutlimedia product without very smart
authoring system.  How do you manage your productions?
-- Noboru Toyoshima [Hary & Company, Tokyo Japan]

#: 944 S1/General Information
    22-Jul-88  08:17:15
Sb: #939-I-CVD
Fm: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330
To: Drew Topel 75410,1541

CD-I has been delayed for many reasons.  Its video chip was one of them but
it is almost overcome.  Now, CD-RTOS cannot be completed.  It has many bugs
and problems.  Umm.. due to the change of the circumstances, I would assume
that CD-I will approach the vertical market first in late 1989.  I know it
was to target the mass market but probably it will not address to the
general audience so soon.  In order to produce a good title, I mean fully
multimedia product for CD-I, you need a complete authoring environment.
The prototype of such systems will become available later this year and
the actual product will be in April 1989 or so, the real good ones will be
on the market late 1989.

The one thing Phillips should realize is they have to tell the people what's
going on in the preparation of this new media.  People kept waiting for a
couple years and started to worry about its launching.  I only hope they
will have more good Public Relations and tell people what the real situation
is.  Otherwise, they will go ahead make multimedia products with CD-ROMs or
any other means.  I am not saying it's dying.  Actually, I am producing
CD-I titles.  But I just want to know what they are trying to do.
-- Noboru Toyoshima